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went to pick up my crew to go to work

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so i decided to go on down into the

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forest and i hunted down there until

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so i walked down over this hill whenever

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i got over the hill i seen these five

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belt standing down there one of them was

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then something happened beyond his range

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of experience

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okay let yourself relax deeply and go

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right back to that same deep

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concentration

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that same deep

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relaxation

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let the muscles relax let yourself know

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that you can breathe deeply and easily

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as you look at the spot

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time experience an amnesic period

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which occurs during the ufo sighting

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then later they check their watches and

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find out that they have lost some time

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which they cannot account for

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and these cases are most exciting and

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the persons have been taken on board

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have been examined and then released and

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a bullet don't

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don't look right

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there's somebody

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they look like me

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he said

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the sun burns him

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he's gonna take me take me back

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just let yourself go back inside the

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i can't get in ain't no door

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pretty good

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the ball

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looks like a

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but it's got a blue

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it's kind of dark

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there there's the lights

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we're back both arms for me

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this first attack goes across your upper

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abdomen

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in order to corroborate the story he

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arranged for a polygraph exam to be

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administered

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regarding whether or not you actually

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have that ufo experience in question

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do you intend to answer truthfully each

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did you ride in that spacecraft you

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carl managed to work through a traumatic

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incident that he had been unable to live

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longer was haunted by nightmares

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he no longer doubted his own sanity

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the abduction experience was resolved to

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his work with a new figure

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don't make a hill of beans to me what

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anybody believes or not

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i know what happened to me

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if people want to take it at

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face value that's fine if they don't it

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the only thing

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i'm saying is if this does happen to

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anybody else what they are to do is talk

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to somebody about it not to hold it

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inside and try to conquer themselves

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because it can't be done i don't think i

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experience happening to me

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i think if it hadn't been for dr

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sprinkle i probably would have been in

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the institution by now natural girls

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radio i'm your host patricia baker i am

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here with my co-host pk

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and the most intriguing guests i think

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we have ever had on the show we have

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marjorie and carl higdon with us tonight

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talking about an incredible abduction

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experience and if you're watching us on

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video you can also see their adorable

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dog doc who has just joined us he is the

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sweetest little dog

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but carl we've been talking and marjorie

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we've been talking about

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the bullet now the i will tell you i

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contacted a friend of mine

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who handled ammunitions for

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the new york city police department and

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he trained snipers

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and i showed him your article i showed

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him the picture of the bullet that

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marjorie had studio shots taken up

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and he said patricia i have never

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ever seen anything

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like this in all my years

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of working with the police

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never seen anything like this from a

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commercial weapon ever

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so it had basically been turned inside

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out and all the lead was gone right

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that's what happened

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incredible it's like

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it had a porsche field up

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there because it didn't find its target

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because you pointed it at the elk it

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didn't hit the elk and you said you saw

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it just kind of floating and then drop

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an abduction

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i agreed to go with

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them so you agreed to go so you don't

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nothing else to do i think i'll take a

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the you didn't hit the elk with it

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were the elf that they took did they

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floated across the field

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back end of this

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cubicle we were in

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how we all fit in that little cute

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cubicle but they were the elk were alive

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he wanted to keep them alive that's why

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i don't you also you also saw people in

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there humans right that you saw other

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deal we went into

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what they were doing there

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talking amongst yourself

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like nothing was wrong

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a possibility absolutely yes

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they they did not walk

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they floated wherever they went

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they just floated across

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these beings that i've seen up there

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yeah that's it's hard to say

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now another thing that we just talked

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about off the air which we all find

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fascinating is that you still have a

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telepathic connection with also one you

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does he have anything interesting to say

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then i get my breath back here

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about

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i told him we needed some rain

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the next day

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three inches

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of rain

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the day after that

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we got two

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oh my goodness so he is kind of like a

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good friend if he does something like

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i think he likes you

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i can ask him

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questions like

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and what's his answer

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hello

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you mean you can ask him like how long i

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would live and he would know is that

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what you're saying yeah

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my husband wants to know so we can buy

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that would be neat wouldn't it

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for kim not for her i asked him

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i asked him about

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one of my life's

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policies

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he had cancer

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and i asked him is he going to be okay

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he come back and said

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yeah he'll be home in a month or so

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he'd come back he was fine

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he died of a heart attack

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oh my goodness

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incredible

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i i am i'm amazed at this aren't you

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pkay this is just

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this is the first time i've heard

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this type of uh an interaction this kind

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of friendship

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where

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you're able to communicate

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with somebody from another galaxy i

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think he's from another galaxy who knows

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but yeah yeah i mean this is a there's a

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a really touching thing about this

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relationship you have with him this is

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the first i've heard of it

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yeah

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it's it's really a blessing

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what are the questions

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we also have a certificate from the

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psychiatrist

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that says he does not have any

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mental illnesses

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well i would not think so he's too

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bright

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you're both very down-to-earth people i

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mean you're you're very down-to-earth

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and very methodical you know about how

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you go about things

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you know it's it's just again an amazing

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experience that took you out of this

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reality and to another

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but i'm so impressed with your

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friendship with also one

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and again it really says something about

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who you both are as people

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that you are

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taken more or less under the wing of

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these advanced beings they must have

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respect for you which is unusual i mean

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because we must be like ants to them you

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but here here's this friendship that

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you've developed

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um i i'm just

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my heart is full of love i mean i just

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feel so

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amazed at this experience uh this way

296
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it's it's incredible it's just an

297
00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:42,560
incredible experience

298
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have you continued have you have you

299
00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:47,519
been told anything to enhance your

300
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no

301
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so it's strictly on

302
00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:58,480
that that makes good sense also

303
00:15:02,870 --> 00:14:59,839
yeah

304
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:02,880
exactly uh-huh

305
00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:05,760
but he can't change things

306
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:08,000
he can't yeah i can ask for help but it

307
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:09,440
don't do any good

308
00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:12,399
i can't change anything okay here on

309
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can you be told something that's going

310
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you know what i didn't catch that

311
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:25,199
i said can he be told anything that may

312
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take place

313
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something of something that's coming in

314
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:31,440
the future

315
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i just don't

316
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i don't look to the future

317
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i'm down

318
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downstairs boys

319
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[Laughter]

320
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,120
strictly one day at a time that's that's

321
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,360
nothing wrong with that that's right

322
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,040
yeah sometimes a little bit of knowledge

323
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:55,199
is too much that's right

324
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:57,199
now marjorie have you ever had any

325
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,710
only

326
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when we've gone out in the different

327
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,800
things that i have seen since it has

328
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:08,880
happened

329
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,870
well

330
00:16:18,949 --> 00:16:16,959
i'd be sleeping it

331
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:18,959
at night

332
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:22,399
and wake up say we gotta go see where

333
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:23,440
we're going

334
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:25,920
out south

335
00:16:33,430 --> 00:16:31,440
we're supposed to sit on this hill

336
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,440
and

337
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:35,600
we sit there

338
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,519
for about 15 minutes and we drove down

339
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:42,000
so we got that back down on the

340
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,759
main road

341
00:16:47,990 --> 00:16:45,360
this uh

342
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:48,000
looked like an ice cream cone upside

343
00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:49,360
down

344
00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:51,519
shot from something

345
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,399
about 150 to 200 feet in the air

346
00:17:02,230 --> 00:16:59,440
and then we smelt uh

347
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:02,240
horrible like

348
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,559
i don't know dirty socks or

349
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:06,559
yeah stuff

350
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:07,760
and

351
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:13,909
i told you i said a good thing we wasn't

352
00:17:15,829 --> 00:17:14,880
up there

353
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:15,839
yeah

354
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:19,039
i guess so he doesn't know what would

355
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,770
have happened i don't know what

356
00:17:23,829 --> 00:17:22,160
[Music]

357
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,839
it might have took

358
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:26,000
me and my wife and

359
00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,199
my son

360
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:29,280
who was with us

361
00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:30,320
and

362
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,600
he might have took us again i don't know

363
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,760
yeah you don't know when in this

364
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,000
situation but you you said you were

365
00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:40,720
followed by lights in the sky for a long

366
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,600
time

367
00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:44,400
after the initial experience right

368
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,590
my crew members even

369
00:17:54,549 --> 00:17:51,280
saw

370
00:17:56,150 --> 00:17:54,559
heaven's sakes it wasn't just me

371
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:56,160
they were at the least bit shy about

372
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,919
letting you know they were around then

373
00:18:04,470 --> 00:17:59,760
that's right

374
00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,480
watching they were watching you

375
00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,440
hmm

376
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:07,039
gosh

377
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:09,679
well why do you think you they came to

378
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:11,760
you do you think it was just right place

379
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,110
they might have been mistreated i don't

380
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:30,720
i don't know

381
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:32,080
mm-hmm

382
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:33,280
they might have really wanted to

383
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:36,880
showcase that area of the forest

384
00:18:41,190 --> 00:18:40,240
uh that strange things happen there

385
00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:41,200
oh

386
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:42,880
okay

387
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:45,039
so other people have reported seeing

388
00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:47,600
things since it happened

389
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:48,960
okay

390
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:54,640
is is mystical for some reason probably

391
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,270
and when the film crews

392
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,240
came in to take uh pictures

393
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:05,840
of the area

394
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:08,799
a lot of them would not go down into the

395
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:12,480
actual area they said it was too weird

396
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:13,600
to

397
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:14,799
um

398
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:18,320
they refused to go into the actual area

399
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,789
yeah they didn't want to go up in that

400
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,799
cube

401
00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:30,880
yes they probably didn't have

402
00:19:34,950 --> 00:19:32,150
mastectomies either

403
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,960
[Laughter]

404
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:37,200
the ones that was really afraid of it

405
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,320
for the

406
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,960
the japanese up there

407
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,400
really

408
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:45,280
they were the most afraid

409
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:46,960
they came and did a

410
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,830
and they were they were afraid or they

411
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:53,919
weren't afraid they were

412
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:57,679
we're afraid they would never go into it

413
00:20:01,270 --> 00:19:59,600
they refused

414
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:01,280
incredible

415
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:02,320
you just

416
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:03,679
did they say anything about what they

417
00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:05,919
were feeling or what they anticipated

418
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:10,470
no

419
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,350
yeah

420
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:21,120
yes they could have been because it

421
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,470
now

422
00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:29,039
when people heard about this story this

423
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,120
was back in 74

424
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,840
and then on to 75 uh when you had your

425
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,080
television shows done you were also on

426
00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:38,720
leonard du moyes in search of they did a

427
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:41,120
segment about your story which i know is

428
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:42,159
excellent

429
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,720
um how did people treat you after that

430
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,559
were they accepting

431
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,640
of this and accepting of you were they

432
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,520
supportive or not

433
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,799
i've only had

434
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,360
one person

435
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,679
say that i was crazy

436
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:00,320
and i talked to her for about

437
00:21:12,630 --> 00:21:05,830
she changed her mind

438
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,470
that's good well you know and i think

439
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,880
it's it sounds like you live in a

440
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,159
community

441
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:21,280
uh that is supportive and you all stick

442
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,159
together which is a good thing because

443
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:25,760
there's so many people that have these

444
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:28,240
experiences and then they get treated so

445
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,360
badly

446
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,280
and so i'm really glad to hear you were

447
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,520
treated you were treated well

448
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,679
by your community at large that's a

449
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:37,919
wonderful thing to hear

450
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,480
definitely did it affect the children at

451
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,510
even all my bosses

452
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:48,000
felt the same way

453
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,200
they

454
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,880
never said

455
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,400
they accepted it

456
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,080
like it was

457
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:56,880
good wonderful fantastic you know that

458
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,280
is great

459
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,960
the fact is

460
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,120
a year after

461
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,960
this happened to me

462
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:06,480
another company

463
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:09,919
hired me for more money than what i was

464
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,750
right that's good and

465
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,280
i'll run their

466
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,880
well service

467
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,640
business for

468
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,559
five years

469
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:36,480
between drilling and

470
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,230
i had several

471
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,400
men under me working

472
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,840
and i had no

473
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,760
problem with none of them

474
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,559
no that's just that great yes it is

475
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,280
excellent that's really good to hear

476
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:55,760
i have regained my faith in the human

477
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,400
race hearing that that's good

478
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:00,000
very good

479
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,230
the people of rollins when they ask them

480
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,799
about the story they said if it was

481
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,760
anybody besides carl they would not have

482
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:13,039
believed it

483
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:19,039
matter of fact that person oh that's

484
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,000
great

485
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,200
yes and you can see that today i mean

486
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,760
you're both matter of fact people you're

487
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,600
both down to earth

488
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,679
i can tell you both wouldn't lie you

489
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,520
make you would never make up a story

490
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,760
like this and besides it's so again

491
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:37,360
outside of what you grew up with what

492
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,240
you knew about um it just wouldn't it's

493
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,240
not possible i mean this really happened

494
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,000
that we have no doubt and i know our

495
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:45,679
audience has no doubt

496
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,960
that this truly did happen and

497
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,039
um marjorie can you get back on the

498
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:53,600
phone for a second

499
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,480
i just want to ask you a question

500
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:58,080
okay go ahead

501
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,440
um you know

502
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,320
i'm just very curious in terms of how

503
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,440
this you see you see this affecting

504
00:24:09,669 --> 00:24:07,760
your life and carl's life do you see it

505
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:09,679
in a positive light do you see that it

506
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,880
was um

507
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,799
or how do you see it i mean just i'm

508
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,320
going to shut up and just ask you the

509
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,960
question how do you see it

510
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,600
well the way i see it if it hadn't been

511
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,400
for dr sprinkle we neither one of us

512
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:25,279
would probably be here

513
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,480
tell us a little more about the book

514
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:28,799
that i wrote

515
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:33,520
about 20 years ago

516
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:37,120
for my own therapy trying to understand

517
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,240
this

518
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:40,159
mm-hmm

519
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:42,559
that kind of leo did

520
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:45,600
and for leo he did the regressive uh

521
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,440
hypnosis uh with a pendulum for carl and

522
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,400
i know leo is a true healer so i'm sure

523
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,240
all of that really helped to put things

524
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,240
in perspective

525
00:25:03,029 --> 00:24:59,039
not only that carl could call him in the

526
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,039
middle of the night and talk to him

527
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,760
we had a lot of things after this

528
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:07,039
happened

529
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,000
in my book

530
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:15,440
that carl would have to talk to sprinkle

531
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:16,320
and

532
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,400
because carl

533
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,600
was sure

534
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,679
for a lot of times that he had to have

535
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,960
dreamt this

536
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,840
he said it's just too

537
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:28,960
bizarre and i told him there's the

538
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:36,390
that's right that wasn't a hallucination

539
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,679
that's right there was the search party

540
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,080
and and there was all this other proof

541
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,520
that we have that something happened

542
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,279
um marjorie can you move a little closer

543
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,799
so we can see you can you move a little

544
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:50,880
closer to carl there

545
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,080
we want to see your pretty face here

546
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:55,440
thank you

547
00:26:01,750 --> 00:26:00,559
leo sprinkle dr sprinkle is was very

548
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:01,760
valuable

549
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,799
in your integration of this experience

550
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,520
and your recovery from the shock of it

551
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,559
so thank goodness for dr sprinkle and we

552
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,799
give a big shout out to leo he's

553
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:14,960
certainly a dear friend to so many

554
00:26:19,190 --> 00:26:17,919
and we appreciate him he's he's a great

555
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:19,200
guy if it hadn't been for him we

556
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,880
wouldn't have met you all

557
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,200
and we're very grateful i mean this is

558
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,360
an incredible story i can't wait for you

559
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:27,520
to finish your book exactly so that we

560
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,320
can sit to everybody so everybody can

561
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,320
buy this because i know we've barely

562
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,240
scratched the surface

563
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,640
of all of what has happened i know i've

564
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,440
read countless articles but still we

565
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,919
learned even more tonight during the

566
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:43,120
interview

567
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,760
so this is a story that that has to be

568
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,840
told and we're so glad you're writing it

569
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,000
down marjorie we're so happy that you're

570
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,240
doing that

571
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,039
the book should be out in about a month

572
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,799
oh wonderful

573
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,960
just in time for a christmas gift right

574
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:00,720
yes yes

575
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,029
if that ever happens to anybody

576
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:10,080
talk to somebody

577
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:11,200
yeah

578
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:13,200
so if this happens

579
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,440
to anybody out there

580
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:17,840
talk to dr sprinkle or

581
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,520
talk to somebody

582
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:21,279
you know and try

583
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,480
mm-hmm

584
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,880
that's great advice yeah

585
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,120
you don't want to keep it all inside you

586
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,279
can't honestly no you're an expert like

587
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,399
dr sprinkle who is able to help you

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through this and help you understand all

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of it

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don't dwell on it

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and then get on with your life

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don't dwell on me that's and what i

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heard marjorie also say is don't dwell

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on it just keep on going right

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right

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for coming on the show thank you doc for

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being so adorable we've been watching

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it's been a joy talking to both of you

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has been i'm sure we're going to have

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you back on the show once your book is

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out and i will announce it again for

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everybody of two books coming out

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so as soon as they're available marjorie

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please let us know right and we will

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announce it on our facebook page and

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also on our website and also everybody

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please go to our facebook page in the

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post i put up about the carl higdon

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00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,480
abduction you will find photographs

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of the bullet

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of the truck

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drawings of osso 1

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and

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you will also see

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many other things there is a picture of

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the craft what that looks like all kinds

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of of fascinating little pieces of

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information on our facebook page

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so carl and marge are you still there

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yep

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okay well again many thanks

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much love to you both for having the

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courage to speak about this